The Reptilians
Wow, Kevin Drum really needs to brush up on his conspiracy theories:
But down at #10, we get this: “The world is run by dinosaur-like reptiles.” What the hell kind of conspiracy theory is that? Dick Cheney doesn’t look anything like a dinosaur.
For some reason, my years in policy debate meant I became very well acquainted with the world of conspiracy theories. For all the 2007-2008 debate season, my partner and I said that the US government invented AIDS to target black and homosexual populations and that “to increase public health assistance to sub-saharan Africa” the government should distribute the cure, Tetrasil. But it didn’t stop there, we would also argue that the other team was being controlled by the ELF god through cell phone towers and that they should have specified in their plan text (the short description of the government policy the affirmative team advocates) that they buy orgone blasters to “nullify the ELF harassment and the other mind control weapons and tactics emitting from these towers.”
We also won a round on the basic flat earth argument. The affirmative team wanted to send provide more people to a satellite wing of the DOD, and we argued that because the earth was flat, it meant that there was no “space” and thus no satellite. No satellites, no affirmative plan, negative wins.
The repitilians were another conspiracy theory we threw in on occasion. To give some background, famed conspiracy theorist David Icke has propagated the theory that “repitilian humanoids” – cross bread hyrbids of humans and aliens from the constellation Draco – had infiltrated earth and that most political leaders were nothing more than Reptilians themselves, or slaves to the Reptilians. And if an affirmative plan was in fact being implemented by malovalonet half-breed robots, would it ever work? I don’t think so. This argument was especially deadly on the topic which mandated that the US “increase its support of United Nations Peacekeeping Operations.” Not only were there great articles claiming that the UN was a Reptilian ploy, there was this fantastic picture:
Enough said.
PS – I should note that David Icke is also an anti-semtic nutjob. Just putting that out there.
Haha, you know, back when I did policy debate, I hated teams that pulled those kind of arguments. Shame on you.
Jamelle
July 31, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Does the fact that I turned into a total K hack senior year make you feel any better about my debate career?
Matt Zeitlin
July 31, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Wait, someone explain this to me–you took the position the world is flat? What are the procedures of policy debate? I did Forensics for about five minutes in high school (I did extemp at a practice meet where I argued that the chair was the greatest invention of mankind because you could use it for lots of things, like sitting, standing on it to reach things too high for you, and smashing it over other people in a bar fight; The whole thing was essentially a bad stand-up routine, which is why I didn’t make it past the second round). So how do they award points in policy debates?
paxamericana
July 31, 2008 at 5:16 pm
To simplify everything, the way policy debate works is that the affirmative team presents some sort of policy that they support. In this case, it was something along the lines of “the USFG should establish funding to increase the size of the DOD space brigade to 15000″ people. The reasons they supported the policy was because satellites were key to winning the space war, pushing Russia and China out of space and securing US dominance there. Without US dominance, Russia and China can shoot down our satellites, which cripples the economy, destroys us hegemony and blindsides our military.
Generally, the negative would try to argue that this policy was bad. They could argue that space militarization was bad (risk of accidental launch, risk to commercial satellites). What we decided to do was try to prove that the earth was flat, that there was no space as commonly conceived and that thus, there weren’t actually any satellites. In debate, it’s generally accepted that if the negative can prove that the affirmative doesn’t actually do anything, the negative wins.
So we read evidence saying the earth was flat, that the space program was all faked and that there were no satellites. The other team didn’t really have anything to say except assertions that the moon landing happened (we had evidence disputing this) and that were pictures of the earth from space (ever hear of photoshop). Since they had no evidence or even good arguments for why the earth was round and why space existed, we were able to win enough of a risk that space wasn’t real, satellites don’t exist and therefore, their plan didn’t do anything.
There are no points policy debate, instead a judge (or a panel of judges) just decides who they think won.
Matt Zeitlin
July 31, 2008 at 5:26 pm
While I knew about the pervasive nuclear war impact, I still thought this post was a parody of policy debate. As a former LD debater, I’m going to file this under “things that validate all of my stereotypes.”
Justin
August 6, 2008 at 10:57 am
Factual correction: David Icke is absolutely positively NOT anti-Semitic. Anyone who has read his material will know that he is positively absolutely anti racism, anti slavery, he does NOT deny the holocaust happened, only the conclusions surrounding it – and he DOES say that a GROUP of people who ARE Jewish AND Christian, AND black and ASIAN are behind certain global events and use their money and power via a secret cabal to manipulate certain events into being. That does not sound like anti semitism. He says that his hard research has led him to expose a group of ashkenazi jewish families were behind hitler and backed the holocaust against other jews because they are psychopathic murderers, and that these people were never brought to justice and operate today through the same families and philosophies. You could say it was people killing people – if they were Jews, christians, makes no difference to Icke except for the fact of historical accuracy as to who was actually carrying out these things. The fact is that he has stated repeatedly and nowhere in his work does he contradict it UNLESS you believe that historical facts he presents a in and of themselves as pieces of neutral evidence anti Semitic?? (as in welcome to Orwells 1984 and we’ve all gone mad I thank you very much). He is absolutely against and most clearly and undisputedly against any form of judgement of a human being based on race, creed color and that INCLUDES Jewish whether you define that as a racial distinction or a religious one.
Furthermore, whether or not you like his work or research the fact is that ANYONE who labels him anti Semitic is either a) a liar b) an ignorant liar who doesn’t know what they’re talking about and is just propagating the lies of organizations like the anti defamation league whose principle mandate is to reduce freedom of speech around the world under the useful guise of “protecting jews” or c) a propagandist paid for and owned.
I repeat for anyone bothering to read David Icke is NOT repeat ABSOLUTELY NOT an Anti Semitic. That is a slanderous libelous lie that has been attemptedly put on him purely to further isolate and discredit his valuable research and his valuable addition to society as a free thinker who speaks his mind even if you don’t like some of it. His research is excellent even if you don’t agree with his more far fetched conclusions, nevertheless his dot connecting is without peer or scope.
You don’t need to like, you can say you think he’s a crack pot but to throw around so callously, carelessly the loaded gun – the nuclear term “Anti Semitic” – when it factually DOES NOT apply, is just really pathetic and low. Shame on you.
Miklos Power
January 2, 2009 at 5:13 am
wow you really know your stuff don’t you, and which of david icke’s many works did you read to come up with those conclusions?
Could that be…NONE?
Maybe you should aquaint youself with what HE ACTUALLY SAYS before making a complete fool of yourself, and also slandering the man.
You know how many scientists and physicists completely unaffiliated with mr icke actually have PROOF of what the man says in his books? In 20 YEARS of david icke speaking out, give your fellow human beings a little credit please, as if hundreds of thousnads of people are anti semetic nutjobs with icke as their leader.
These desperate (and they can only be described as desperate) rubbishing of conspiracy facts no longer cuts it my friend. What you make of Gregg Braden then? a nutjob too? How about einstein? HE said very simliar things as david icke. How about MPs like Nagal Farage of the EU parliament who are seaking out? How about the Irish people saying no to the fascist lisbon treaty?
It’s late here and i must go to bed and hope i don’t meetany reptilians on the way. Pathetic, find out for yourself what the man is about instead of acting like a parrot.
Verité
January 26, 2009 at 5:59 pm
PS – I should note that David Icke is also an anti-semtic nutjob. Just putting that out there.
Well lets have your evidence ,facts or statements from Icke to back this up then?If you or anyone else have even bothered to read all his books or attended his talks then how can he be classified as a anti-Semitic nut job.Drawing that anti-Semitic nut job conclusion is nothing more than pure arrogance and ignorance and a total refusal to take the harder way out ,ie; EASIER TO LABEL OR CONDEMN SOMEONE THAN IT IS TO STUDY ALL OF HIS BOOKS OR ATTENDED,WATCH HIS TALKS ON DVD OR EVEN E-MAIL HIM WITH THIS ACTUATION AND READ HIS REPLY.
MATRIX
January 27, 2009 at 8:47 am
Correction. David Icke’s politics can best be described as a new age meets the far right. If you want a demonstration of how antisemitic his followers are then just take a look at the forum on his website. Holocaust denial, neo-nazis praising Adolf Hitler, Jews are behind everything, blah, blah, blah.
We’ve heard all this before in 1933. It’s nothing new, and Icke’s suporters aren’t “awake” just becaise they believe in fantasies.
BaronHardup
January 27, 2009 at 12:07 pm
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