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Webb Skepticism

Posted by Matt Zeitlin on May 14, 2008

Alex Massie makes the case for Webb as VP, and it’s one that’s been made many times before and remains quite convincing. Webb, after all, is the white working class incarnate. He’s a former Republican, he has credibility on the war that matches or surpasses McCain, his proposed veteran legislation would funnel a lot of money to those areas where Obama is doing poorly, he can’t be portrayed as weak, etc etc etc. But his tremendous upside also entails some downside: nominating Webb could easily be viewed as a slap in the face to female and minority voters.

Real quick: Webb has a ton of sympathy for the Confederacy. Sure, he doesn’t support slaveholding and isn’t a modern-day segregationist like Trent Lott, but one aspect of his academic/cultural project of defending the legacy and history of the Scotch-Irish (or, in American, rednecks and white trash) is coming to grips with the fact that these people made up the bulk of the Confederate military. Here’s what Webb said at an address at the Confederate Memorial:

I am not here to apologize for why they fought, although modern historians might contemplate that there truly were different perceptions in the North and South about those reasons, and that most Southern soldiers viewed the driving issue to be sovereignty rather than slavery. In 1860 fewer than five percent of the people in the South owned slaves, and fewer than twenty percent were involved with slavery in any capacity. Love of the Union was palpably stronger in the South than in the North before the war — just as overt patriotism is today — but it was tempered by a strong belief that state sovereignty existed prior to the Constitution, and that it had never been surrendered. Nor had Abraham Lincoln ended slavery in Kentucky and Missouri when those border states did not secede. Perhaps all of us might reread the writings of Alexander Stephens, a brilliant attorney who opposed secession but then became Vice President of the Confederacy, making a convincing legal argument that the constitutional compact was terminable. And who wryly commented at the outset of the war that “the North today presents the spectacle of a free people having gone to war to make freemen of slaves, while all they have as yet attained is to make slaves of themselves.”

Make of that what you will, but considering that leading lights in the liberal blogsophere delight in going after those that who celebrate “Treason in Defense of Slavery Month Heritage Month,” it’s unclear how Webb’s sympathy for the Confederate cause, or at least those who fought for it, would go over with black voters. But that isn’t all that big a worry considering that Barack Obama is at the top of the ticket. A bigger concern is how female voters and activists would respond to a Webb nomination. Webb, in 1979, published an article entitled “Women Can’t Fight” in defense of his position that women should not be allowed in combat positions in the Navy. If activists like Emily’s List’s Ellen Malcom are still smarting over an Obama victory, then putting Webb on the ticket could be seen as throwing women under the bus. For them, the Party would have gone from being very close to nominating the first female presidential candidate, to having a gender reactionary nominated as Vice President.

Another argument against Webb is that instead of acting as “insurance” that Obama would be able to compete for working class white votes and not have McCain get away with questioning his patriotism,
he would instead accentuate that Obama is perceived to be everything that Webb is not. If the purpose of putting Webb on the ticket is, as Massie and others say, to project strength on foreign policy, military issues, patriotism, being a badass, getting white working class support, then that very action implies that Obama is weak on all those fronts. And when a candidate essentailly cops to weakness in certain areas, the media and the other party will just eat it up. Neil Sinhababu made this point very well a few months ago:

when a presidential candidate chooses a VP to cover a weakness, it’s considered an acknowledgement by the campaign that their presidential candidate has a weakness. Thereafter, the media is officially licensed to harp on that weakness.  So now you reinforce the storyline: “Ordinary white folks don’t and shouldn’t like Obama!” or “John Kerry is a New England aristocrat with no ties to the common man!”  Given the fact that the presidential candidate is more significant, a balancing strategy might actually end up moving perceptions of the ticket in the opposite direction.

I’m not saying that Webb would be a bad choice - I think ultimately that the veepstakes doesn’t really matter that much - it’s just that he isn’t necessarily the best choice.

5 Responses to “Webb Skepticism”

  1. Dylan Matthews Says:

    I don’t know where people got this idea that Webb is experienced, or more experienced than Obama. He was Navy Secretary for less than a year, from 1987-1988. The logic for picking him is disturbingly similar to the logic for picking Kerry in 2004, namely that military service is equal to foreign policy credibility. I think it’s a crappy pick, and someone like Clark would fill the same role (he’s Scots-Irish, even!) without Webb’s flaws or racism.

  2. Jasper Says:

    I second the sentiment that Webb is a poor choice. There’s something in the faux macho swagger he demonstrates I really find offputting. I recall he insulted the president a while back at a social function at the White House. Yes, there are plenty of insults we can all think of when it comes to Bush. But no, that does not justify behaving boorishly and rudely at a party, especially when the recipient of the insults occupies an office that deserves respect. Also, wasn’t there a tidbit about Webb’s bringing a loaded gun into the Senate a while back?

    None of this means Webb isn’t a very accomplished human being, and a very impressive man in many respects (caught an interview of Webb a couple of months ago on Stephanopoulos’s show, and indeed I was impressed). Still, I’d rather not elevate him to the Vice Presidency. If Obama wants a defense heavyweight, better in my view to go with Nunn or Hagel, or that Marine General I’ve been hearing about. Better yet go with Ed Rendell and let McCain’s misjudgments on foreign policy speak for themselves.

    By the way, I don’t know if anybody saw Stephanopoulos’s show this past Sunday, but if I were McCain, I’d give serious consideration to Carly Fiorina as my running mate. I’m completely serious. The woman’s got gravitas. I know she had her problems at HP, but the company is kicking ass now, so she must have done something right to leave it in such good shape. Maybe given his age that would be a risky choice, politically, but it would sure put the heat on Obama to put Clinton on the ticket.

  3. Jamelle Says:

    I’m pretty sympathetic to the idea of an Obama/Webb ticket (but then again, I’m a Virginian). Yes, there’s the danger of Webb accentuating everything Obama isn’t, and yes, he does have a great deal of sympathy for the Confederacy. But for me at least, that’s part of the appeal; Obama/Webb would have powerful narrative significance - a symbol of multicultural America campaigning with a son of the Confederacy. Having Webb in the VP slot represents the possibility of a very real kind of reconciliation, and that’s powerful.

    Now, I also happen to think that having Webb on the ticket isn’t worth a Senate seat, so I think Obama should look elsewhere. But still, I think there are some very powerful narrative advantages that Webb could add.

  4. Corey Says:

    As a fellow Virginia resident, I also think that Webb is a seat we don’t need to lose–to say nothing of the fact that Webb isn’t going to work the White People magic some progressives think he will. Webb is a good senator, not necessarily a good VP.

    Also, a quick funny story. In college I (briefly) dated a Republican girl who wrote her senior thesis on women serving in the military (her father was a colonel, albeit a dentist). Her conclusion was that women could serve in combat positions. When I asked her if she considered her work “feminist” or that women *should* serve in combat positions, she demurred–which made no sense. Women should be allowed to serve in elite combat positions (and the front lines). Period.

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