Why Do Men Hate Identity Crusades?
I try to answer this question, in about 1460 words. This will sound self serving, but I’d really like if other bloggers read this post — especially my fellow liberals. I think about this topic quite a bit and I feel it should be discussed openly and honestly. My thoughts here are provisional and I really just want to talk about this entire issue, so please comment and blog away in response. Check it out after the flip.
Mike Meginnis discusses Dana Goldstein’s post on how male bloggers rarely write about “domestic social justice crusades centered around identity.”
…experience has told me that I, as a white male blogger, don’t really get to talk about these things in a more specific manner without being subjected to all manner of ugliness. The most traffic I ever got was from the day Amanda Marcotte basically called me an idiot for having the gall to disagree with her on a truly minor issue.
Basically, all a male blogger can do when it comes to sex or race without fear of getting it from every side is to link approvingly to the comments of other persons with more “authoritative” or “authentic” identities — black women like Pam Spaulding, etc. That’s a decent use of our time and page space, and I occasionally do it, but as a writer I find the whole thing tremendously boring. I like having the room to critique the people I link, endorsing parts of their arguments or perspectives while arguing against others. This doesn’t mean I shut up on those issues all together, as I think perusal of my blog will make clear, but it does mean I tend not to invest a lot of energy in them unless it’s worth being condescended to by Pandagon’s entire readership, or other people who would never read my work except as part of their daily five-minute-hate.
As I documented recently, the people at Femeniste still don’t know for sure whether men are even allowed to be feminists. In that kind of climate, it’s really stunning that white guys don’t tend to focus a lot on issues “centered around identity” (her framing, not mine) isn’t it?
Mike’s experience, which I have read first hand, is broadly applicable across the blogosphere. I like writing about “social justice” and “identity” issues. Some of my favorite posts have been about marriage, abortion and the pay gap. The problem is that when I wrote about how feminists approach marriage, I would get comments from Marcotte and others that because I was a white male and obviously had so much to gain from marriage, of course I would support it. Well, that’s just a pointless debate to have, why talk about these things if your interlocutors are just going to throw up the “privilege” flag, essentially ending discussion? So, if there are social pressures against openly and vigorously disagreeing with the people who drive the “social justice crusades focuses around identity” discussions, then you might as well not even engage in them.
But surely you narcissistic males can blog about identity politics issues even if you don’t have some vigorous disagreement or argument to make, right? Well, maybe, but if there’s one thing most bloggers — especially male ones — like to do, it’s fighting. It’s arguing, it’s trying to make your opponent or whoever you disagree with look foolish. So, what would I rather write: a post lambasting a coal liquefaction bill or a post measly agreeing and linking to something Jill Filipovic wrote? Certainly the former. Considering that at Feministe, as Mike points out, there’s a debate going on as to whether men can be feminists, why should I even try to write about these issues when my allies think I’m intrinsically unable to do so as well as others?
A deeper issue, beyond the personality of many bloggers, is an ideological faultline, that runs very deep among the contemporary net-left. The basic political ideology of the netroots, which Dana hints at, is also not very amenable to narrow, identity based concerns. The netroots – Kos, Atrios, FDL etc — was born fighting, born opposing the Bush administration and all it stood for. And you don’t fight a war, you don’t win Matt Stoller’s “bar fight primary” by being splintered over identity issues. You have to stand together to fight the baddies in the Bush administration, instead of constantly fretting over seemingly tangential issues of identity. When inequality is skyrocketing, we’re in Iraq and the Bush administration is essentially a gang of criminals on the loose, we have to do some prioritizing. If it’s white men leading the fight, so be it, it’s a fight that must be fought.
This approach to liberal politics, however, is much older than blogs themselves. In so much as the netroots has a philosophical backing, I think it can be located in the post New Left “revaluation”. Thinkers, some of whom were student radicals in their own right, like Todd Gitlin, Arthur Schlesinger, Michael Tomasky and Richard Rorty became skeptical of identity politics. For them, the liberal intelligentsia’s retreat into the academy — especially in the 80s — and a focus on more and more specific identity struggles, disabled any strong progressive vision for America, and thus came the Reagan years. In many ways, this was recalling (in Rorty’s case, very explicitly) the grand olde Socialism of Eugene Debs and Norman Thomas – while they were the most progressive American political figures on civil rights, they understood that you need to have a broad based class struggle before you can engage in any other. Even radical Continental thinkers — like Slavoj Zizek or Alain Badiou– in their own obtuse ways, came around to this conclusion.
The harshest exposition of this mind set was Matt Taibii’s screed, “The American’s Left Silly Victim Complex” which depicted a liberal movement of pantywaist pseudo-intellectuals who didn’t have the balls to get us out of Iraq and fight a class war. Not surprisingly, feminist bloggers reacted negatively to the piece — as well they should have, it was attack on their very form of politics. The piece, however, captured the progressive zeitgeist remarkably well. Even though we won the 2006 elections, Clinton and the triangulators were well on their way to the Democratic nomination, while the most active anti war group wore pink — and was mighty proud of it. At the same time, as Taibbi put it “someone should be organizing forcefully against the war in Iraq and engaging middle America on the alarming issue of big-business occupation of the Washington power process, the American left has turned into a skittish, hysterical old lady, one who defiantly insists on living in the past, is easily mesmerized by half-baked pseudo-intellectual nonsense, and quick to run from anything like real conflict or responsibility.”
While the rise of the netroots and blogs more generally has given this strong, unabashedly universalistic voice within American liberalism a prominent place within the contemporary left, it also enabled the more identity oriented voices to be heard more widely. John Edwards, who could easily have been the avatar of this post-identity, populist politics, hired (well, his campaign did) Melissa McEwan and Amanda Marcotte to be his blogmasters. Marcotte, Pandagon and McEwan weren’t afraid of going after liberals on identity based grounds, and in many ways represent a divergence from the standard net roots ideology.
The irony is that they are as firmly anti-Bush, anti GOP as anyone in my narrowly defined netroots. So are these differences actually illusory? In a way they are — if you were to poll your average lefty blogger on various policy preferences and attitudes, I imagine that Marcotte, Pam Spaulding and Jill Filipovic would be well within the normal range for “leftiness.” The thing that’s makes them special, or at least Pam, is a post like this, calling out the progressive blogosphere for not paying attention to the Jena 6 story, before it hit the major media outlets. This was the identity-universal struggle in microcosm. The Jena 6 case, as I’ve argued before, just isn’t on scale with the war in Iraq, various Bush administration perfidy or most of what the Bush administration talks about. Upon reflection, most will see the Jena story as a truly local issue, if you want to talk about systematic judicial disadvantage towards blacks, look to the drug war — where disproportionately harsh sentences are passed down by perfectly fair and non racist prosecutors. Yet various major progressive bloggers were somehow derelict of duty for not paying the same amount of attention as blogs focused towards a primarily black audience, who of course would pay more attention. And so disagreement among people who agree politically about 95-100% of issues was manufactured — over a “domestic social justice crusade centered around identity.”
I’m not saying that blogs whose main focus is women’s, black, latino/a or whatever identity group are somehow worse than blogs with a wide focus. But we should acknowledge that there’s a sense of incommensurability in these writers mission and their approach to the world. So if this accusation of privilege is to be taken seriously, if white male bloggers are really going to be harried for not judging the importance of events the same as every other ethno-gender blogger, then we can expect some more conflict and some serious disagreements.
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September 25, 2007 at 7:41 am
I think this is extremely simplistic and misses the forest for the trees. You are describing one very small aspect of identity politics. It is to be sure an unsavory aspect, and unfair as well. But that doesn’t encapsulate the purpose and nature of identity politics, why they came into existence and why they are still around today and will be for some time to come.
It is unfortunate that white, heterosexual males are stymied from speaking because of their identity. But its much, much more unfortunate that non-whites, non-males, and non-heteroseuxals are systematically silenced, abused and persecuted on a regular basis, all the time.
Identity politics arose because minorities were persecuted because of those identities. The purpose of identity politics was to empower identities against the oppression from the institutions and groups in power within our society. In short, minorities banded together based on their mutual suffering to fight to end it. And identity politics will continue to exist as long as that persecution does.
The reason why this is such a thorny, uncomfortable issue is that the institutional nature of the oppression implicates everyone on some level. Its an extremely awkward, hard conversation to discuss not just who is being persecuted but who benefits from that persecution. Many people interpret that necessarily as assigning personal blame, when its not.
It’s not your fault, that you happen to be a white, heterosexual male and that as a result you gained enormous benefits from that by virtue of your sex and race. But it does mean that you are automatically conditioned and saddled with a perspective that a persecuted minority does not have.
This does not mean you can never understand a persecuted minority.
It does not mean you can’t argue about oppression and how to best remedy it.
It does not mean you can’t judge a minority’s position on oppression.
But it does mean that there’s a barrier to communication and understanding. Its in many ways like going to a foreign country, with a culture and language you’ve never heard of, and attempting to have an intense philosophical debate while you try to learn their customs and their language.
In essence, what identity politics is driving at is an attempt to get people of privileged groups to acknowledge the following:
The privilege they derive from institutional oppression
That oppression and privilege shape who we are
Note that this by definition implicates me as well. I may be a gay man, but I am also white. While I certainly experience the persecution of a sexual minority, I gain great benefits as a white man. I don’t find this a pleasant conversation but then neither do minorities.
Joseph
September 25, 2007 at 6:59 pm
Excellent post, sir.
Sangfroid826
September 25, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Leaving aside most of Joseph’s points, which seem tangential in that they are phrased as counterarguments when there is no reason to believe Matt would disagree with them, I would like to voice my severe annoyance at this: “You are describing one very small aspect of identity politics. It is to be sure an unsavory aspect, and unfair as well. But that doesn’t encapsulate the purpose and nature of identity politics, why they came into existence and why they are still around today and will be for some time to come.”
That’s ridiculous. It’s not his job to describe the purpose and nature of identity politics, why they came into existence and why they are still around today and will be for some time to come. We don’t have to rehearse that entire conversation each and every time we want to talk about identity politics, and we certainly don’t when we’re not discussing the politics in themselves so much as white male experiences of trying to interact and engage with them.
Mike Meginnis
September 26, 2007 at 7:17 am
In response to Mike’s point that my arguments were “tangenital,” I’ll say the following: The point I am trying to make is that this discussion about straight, white males being silenced seems to be the only thing our culture ever talks about, when it does which is almost never.
The only time identity politics is brought up in our culture is either to disparage it as whining, dismiss it as unreal, or to complain about “reverse discrimination.” And the only way that could happen is if you fail to take “the purpose and nature of identity politics into account.” In other words, Matt’s points were way off the mark, he wouldn’t have said what he did if he were actually taking the context he was talking about into account. I
Now he may disagree with that. But my read on the situation was that he wasn’t getting it. And since that’s the core of my disagreement that’s what I talked about.
And I’d like to note that the last half of my post specifically addressed the issue of silencing and how straight, white males could and should speak within political identity discussions.
Joseph
September 26, 2007 at 3:17 pm
How on Earth do you justify these claims in the face of major blogs like Pandagon, Feministe, and Feministing? That is somewhat true in the mainstream, but we aren’t in the mainstream.
And if you concede that such attempts to silence do happen but shouldn’t, where are you taking issue? What, exactly, did he (or I) get wrong here? It seems like the only mistake we made was… being white, male, and talking about these issues. Irony!
I mean, sure, it’s more unfortunate that slavery happened or stuff like what Bill O’Reilly said recently happens than that white guys are occasionally told to shut up, but “more important” doesn’t mean “the only thing we can talk about,” and it seems to make sense that things that happen to white guys would be of some concern to white guys, even if they weren’t huge deals in the grand scheme of things.
Mike Meginnis
September 26, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Missing the point
What’s amazing about Dana Goldstein’s response to Matt’s and Mike Meginnis’ posts on identity politics is how she manages to provide such a illustrative example of what they were talking about. Matt wrote:
I like writing about …
Soberish
September 27, 2007 at 11:07 am
White male bloggers should not worry about taking some heat if there are in the kitchen. First of all white males are the “persecuted majority” that only a crafty propaganda campaign has hidden. I’m a sixty year old “typical white male” who grew up in progressive NY and worked for a large NY company for thirty years. In that time I was passed over (afirmative action)by less educated, less skilled people at my work place. While working in NY I acosted several times by minority members of our society. My sister and my wife were threatened and robbed on two separate occasions by peolpe of color. My 80 year old mother was car-jacked by six african-americans and my best friend was killed by a black bank thief in 1976. I served after being drafted by LBJ during the Viet Nam war. While in the Army I witnessed several black on white crimes. My Great grand father served in the Civil war. My Grand father helped liberate Cuba in 1898 and my father fought Hitler. I would imagine of over the million war dead America has suffered most of them were the “white male types”. So take the heat and be proud of being the “typical, bitter, bible thumping, gun-toting, middle class white person” I am!!! Who cares what they think, they are ungrateful and tunnel minded!More Americans are killed by illegal aliens every year than are killed in Iraq.
George Muller
May 7, 2008 at 7:36 am